Comments on: Preacher’s Wife Commits Murder http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/ Apologia kai Polemikos Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Occasional Outbursts » She Said She’s Sorry http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-1077 Occasional Outbursts » She Said She’s Sorry Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:20:08 +0000 http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-1077 <p>[...] BACKGROUND: Preacher’s Wife Commits Murder [...]</p> […] BACKGROUND: Preacher’s Wife Commits Murder […]

]]> By: A bit to the left http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-1062 A bit to the left Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:26:27 +0000 http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-1062 <p>By the way, for a full reading of the above transcript of the show, go to http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/27/ng.01.html.</p> By the way, for a full reading of the above transcript of the show, go to http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/27/ng.01.html.

]]> By: A bit to the left http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-1061 A bit to the left Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:24:03 +0000 http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-1061 <p>For more really disturbing press, the following exchange from her Mar 27th show. The preceding discussion has been with Mrs. Winkler's attorney about legal issues, but then she turns the discussion to what the churches of Christ are: PASTOR TOM RUKALA, BAPTIST PASTOR: Well, the Church of Christ is a relatively new church. It was started about 150 years ago by Alexander Campbell (ph). And it`s, unfortunately, a very legalistic sect, and they tend to use methods of intimidation and pressure tactics. They claim that they are the only ones going to heaven, and all other people are condemned to hell. So in case...</p> <p>GRACE: Uh-oh, I`m in trouble. But I already knew that.</p> <p>(LAUGHTER)</p> <p>GRACE: Now, wait a minute. What more can you tell me?</p> <p>RUKALA: Well, they claim that if you<code>re not baptized by one of their ministers, that you</code>re doomed to hell, even if you<code>re a believer in Jesus Christ, which, of course, breaks completely from the traditional Christian view that all those who call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved because we</code>re saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, who died for our sins and rose again. For the Church of Christ folks, that<code>s not enough. You have to be a member of their narrow sect. It</code>s a very exclusive group. And if you<code>re not a member of their sect, you</code>re condemned.</p> <p>GRACE: You know, Pastor, you keep saying "sect." "Sect." You make it sound like a cult.</p> <p>RUKALA: It kind of is a borderline cult, unfortunately. I don`t want to make it out to be some kind of Hare Krishna group, but it has cult-like characteristics and...</p> <p>GRACE: In what sense?</p> <p>RUKALA: Well, in the sense of the exclusivism, the attitude that they are the only ones who know the truth. The tactics that they use are sometimes just -- not only un-biblical but unethical, and they can be very ungracious, unfortunately.</p> <p>GRACE: I want to go now to Nancy Harding Burgess, a minister<code>s wife, the founder of Heart and Soul Connection. Nancy, I</code>m at a loss on this. I don`t know that much about the Church of Christ. What can you tell me about this situation, regarding the Winklers?</p> <p>While I don't always agree with Nancy Grace, I do admire her focus on crime victims, but here she really hit a low. Clearly the person she chose as her "expert" on the Church of Christ is not an expert. I agree with what Rex said above, that this is a difficult situation for the entire family.</p> For more really disturbing press, the following exchange from her Mar 27th show. The preceding discussion has been with Mrs. Winkler’s attorney about legal issues, but then she turns the discussion to what the churches of Christ are: PASTOR TOM RUKALA, BAPTIST PASTOR: Well, the Church of Christ is a relatively new church. It was started about 150 years ago by Alexander Campbell (ph). And it`s, unfortunately, a very legalistic sect, and they tend to use methods of intimidation and pressure tactics. They claim that they are the only ones going to heaven, and all other people are condemned to hell. So in case…

GRACE: Uh-oh, I`m in trouble. But I already knew that.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Now, wait a minute. What more can you tell me?

RUKALA: Well, they claim that if youre not baptized by one of their ministers, that youre doomed to hell, even if youre a believer in Jesus Christ, which, of course, breaks completely from the traditional Christian view that all those who call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved because were saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, who died for our sins and rose again. For the Church of Christ folks, thats not enough. You have to be a member of their narrow sect. Its a very exclusive group. And if youre not a member of their sect, youre condemned.

GRACE: You know, Pastor, you keep saying “sect.” “Sect.” You make it sound like a cult.

RUKALA: It kind of is a borderline cult, unfortunately. I don`t want to make it out to be some kind of Hare Krishna group, but it has cult-like characteristics and…

GRACE: In what sense?

RUKALA: Well, in the sense of the exclusivism, the attitude that they are the only ones who know the truth. The tactics that they use are sometimes just — not only un-biblical but unethical, and they can be very ungracious, unfortunately.

GRACE: I want to go now to Nancy Harding Burgess, a ministers wife, the founder of Heart and Soul Connection. Nancy, Im at a loss on this. I don`t know that much about the Church of Christ. What can you tell me about this situation, regarding the Winklers?

While I don’t always agree with Nancy Grace, I do admire her focus on crime victims, but here she really hit a low. Clearly the person she chose as her “expert” on the Church of Christ is not an expert. I agree with what Rex said above, that this is a difficult situation for the entire family.

]]> By: Rex http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-904 Rex Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:48:44 +0000 http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-904 <p>Hey I glanced at a few of those comments you linked to. Wow! How easy it is to be a third party arm-chair quaterback.</p> Hey I glanced at a few of those comments you linked to. Wow! How easy it is to be a third party arm-chair quaterback.

]]> By: Rex http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-903 Rex Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:36:20 +0000 http://www.outbursts.org/2006/03/25/154/#comment-903 <p>No matter what the outcomes, this is a no-win situation for those children. They have lost a father and now will loose a mother. We can only imagine the suffering they will endure over the years.</p> No matter what the outcomes, this is a no-win situation for those children. They have lost a father and now will loose a mother. We can only imagine the suffering they will endure over the years.

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